> On Jul 24, 6:48 pm, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:
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> > "Richard Schultz" <schu...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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> > > In misc.health.alternative Carole <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:
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> > > :> Has it ever occurred to you that a person might be able to think for
> > > :> himself and come to the conclusion that the experts are correct?
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> > > : When you've been taught what to think, and the rules to use to achieve
> > > an
> > > : outcome, what is left for you to make an independent decision?
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> > > I wasn't taught *what* to think. I was taught *how* to think. There
> > > is a big difference. I have pointed out to you that demonstrating the
> > > fundamental flaws in the "cell salt" theory is not a matter of "thinking
> > > for oneself." It is a matter of *doing an experiment* the results of
> > > which are not open to dispute.
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> > Richard, it is a well known fact that conventional science is based on use
> > of pharmaceuticals.
> > And it is also a well known fact that the first allopathic schools were
> > heavily subsidised by Rockefeller donations.
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> > Sorry, scientific research is corrupted and the research isn't worth much.
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> > > :> Has it ever
> > > :> occurred to you that if you know nothing about a subject, the odds that
> > > :> thinking for yourself is going to lead you to any conclusion that is
> > > even
> > > :> close to be correct are very, very, very small?
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> > > : Does it ever occur to you that the people who know so little about a
> > > subject
> > > : are those who have been taught corrupted science?
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> > > You don't know *anything* about science, by your own admission. You have
> > > no way of knowing whether the science I have been taught is "corrupted"
> > > or not.
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> > I have my own experience plus the cellsalt theory and homeopathy have been
> > around for 150.
> > There has been 150 years of suppression of the true causes of disease.
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> > > Unlike you, I have actually gone into a lab and done experiments. If the
> > > atomic theory is wrong, and if classical physics is not a reasonable
> > > approximation for calculating the motions of bodies traveling at
> > > velocities
> > > that are low relative to the speed of light, then none of the results of
> > > the
> > > experiments that I did for my Ph. D. can be made to make any sense. If
> > > quantum mechanics is wrong, then none of results of the experiments I did
> > > for my postdoc (and in my lab at Bar-Ilan) make any sense.
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> > > Unlike you, I know something about chemistry, and I can explain what
> > > happens
> > > when something burns. I know the difference between "oxidation" and
> > > "reduction" and that the oxidation states of elements as they are found
> > > within
> > > the body is not necessarily the same as those of elements as they are
> > > found
> > > in the remains of a body that has been burned. For example, the mechanism
> > > by which hemoglobin works is fairly well understood, and it depends on the
> > > iron atoms in the heme groups being in the reduced state.
> > > "Methemoglobin,"
> > > which contains iron in the ferric state, cannot transport oxygen.
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> > Good for you Richard and no doubt your experiments work on a certain level.
> > However, the pharmaceutical business has absolutely no interest in curing
> > anybody of anything.
> > They are focused on making money.
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> > > : And has it ever occurred to you that the pharmaceutical business with
> > > : disease has hijacked medical science and suppress any cures that they
> > > can't
> > > : make money out of?
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> > > How could they do that? How have they succeeded in suppressing, say, you?
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> > Let me count the ways the pharmaceutical industry suppress their opposition.
> > 1. They train doctors in "approved" schools and techniques
> > 2. They use the mass media to rubbish alternatives including vitamins and
> > minerals
> > 3. They set up bureaucracies to promote their choices in alternative
> > methods -- as long as it doesn't threaten their profits they'll give it the
> > ok.
> > 4. There are stories of how innovators like Reich and Rife were dealt with
> > by the system so their techniques would be lost to history.
> > 5. They get doctors to push their products using dinners and other
> > promotional products.
> > 6. They get their people on boards and other places of influence.
> > 7. The public are coached in the importance of only listening to "experts"
> > and "reliable sources"..
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> Carol:
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> Have you actually thought through your arguement to its logical
> conclusions? Consider this, "pharmaceutical business " is ultimately
> people. It's companies made up of people, run by people and owned by
> people. If what you argue is true, that "pharmaceutical business" is
> purposely suppressing cures (or even keeping people sick) knowingly,
> then these people are denying themselves and everyone they care about
> these self same cures. You are telling me that *everyone* involved in
> the conspiracy is so concerned about the money that they would all
> sacrifice themselves and everyone they care about? If this were even
> slightly true and the truth came out (as it must since *you* claim to
> know it), then everyone involved would be open to lawsuits, not to
> mention criminal charges, heck even lynchings by the families of those
> who have suffered. Can everyone involved be such a cold hearted
> monster that they would risk themselves and everyone they care about?
> Risk their own terminal illnesses? Risk the loss of everything
> monetary? Risk prison?
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> Makes no sense from a human motivational standpoint.
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> Sorry Carol, your story just doesn't hold water. Of course the other
> test is to simply go and *try* some of these suppressed cures. After
> all they are available in books (hmmm... now who is making the money?)
> and perhaps on the web. Doesn't this seem a bit incredible? Perhaps
> I've been indoctrinated...indocrtinated to test ideas, try things, and
> go with what works. No real tests I've ever found shows the slightest
> validity to these other approaches. But you can fix that. Simply run
> some good, well documented tests. Since you aren't under their
> control, I'm sure the world will beat a path to your door when you
> prove your case.
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> On the other hand, it's easier to just hide your head under a pillow
> and blame all the world's problems on unasalable fantasies.
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can be alleviated in 2 hours flat & indeed cured in a few days ...
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