On Jul 24, 6:48 pm, "Carole" <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:
> "Richard Schultz" <schu...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message
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> > In misc.health.alternative Carole <hub...@iimetro.com.au> wrote:
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> > :> Has it ever occurred to you that a person might be able to think for
> > :> himself and come to the conclusion that the experts are correct?
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> > : When you've been taught what to think, and the rules to use to achieve
> > an
> > : outcome, what is left for you to make an independent decision?
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> > I wasn't taught *what* to think. I was taught *how* to think. There
> > is a big difference. I have pointed out to you that demonstrating the
> > fundamental flaws in the "cell salt" theory is not a matter of "thinking
> > for oneself." It is a matter of *doing an experiment* the results of
> > which are not open to dispute.
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> Richard, it is a well known fact that conventional science is based on use
> of pharmaceuticals.
> And it is also a well known fact that the first allopathic schools were
> heavily subsidised by Rockefeller donations.
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> Sorry, scientific research is corrupted and the research isn't worth much.
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> > :> Has it ever
> > :> occurred to you that if you know nothing about a subject, the odds that
> > :> thinking for yourself is going to lead you to any conclusion that is
> > even
> > :> close to be correct are very, very, very small?
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> > : Does it ever occur to you that the people who know so little about a
> > subject
> > : are those who have been taught corrupted science?
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> > You don't know *anything* about science, by your own admission. You have
> > no way of knowing whether the science I have been taught is "corrupted"
> > or not.
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> I have my own experience plus the cellsalt theory and homeopathy have been
> around for 150.
> There has been 150 years of suppression of the true causes of disease.
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> > Unlike you, I have actually gone into a lab and done experiments. If the
> > atomic theory is wrong, and if classical physics is not a reasonable
> > approximation for calculating the motions of bodies traveling at
> > velocities
> > that are low relative to the speed of light, then none of the results of
> > the
> > experiments that I did for my Ph. D. can be made to make any sense. If
> > quantum mechanics is wrong, then none of results of the experiments I did
> > for my postdoc (and in my lab at Bar-Ilan) make any sense.
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> > Unlike you, I know something about chemistry, and I can explain what
> > happens
> > when something burns. I know the difference between "oxidation" and
> > "reduction" and that the oxidation states of elements as they are found
> > within
> > the body is not necessarily the same as those of elements as they are
> > found
> > in the remains of a body that has been burned. For example, the mechanism
> > by which hemoglobin works is fairly well understood, and it depends on the
> > iron atoms in the heme groups being in the reduced state.
> > "Methemoglobin,"
> > which contains iron in the ferric state, cannot transport oxygen.
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> Good for you Richard and no doubt your experiments work on a certain level.
> However, the pharmaceutical business has absolutely no interest in curing
> anybody of anything.
> They are focused on making money.
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> > : And has it ever occurred to you that the pharmaceutical business with
> > : disease has hijacked medical science and suppress any cures that they
> > can't
> > : make money out of?
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> > How could they do that? How have they succeeded in suppressing, say, you?
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> Let me count the ways the pharmaceutical industry suppress their opposition.
> 1. They train doctors in "approved" schools and techniques
> 2. They use the mass media to rubbish alternatives including vitamins and
> minerals
> 3. They set up bureaucracies to promote their choices in alternative
> methods -- as long as it doesn't threaten their profits they'll give it the
> ok.
> 4. There are stories of how innovators like Reich and Rife were dealt with
> by the system so their techniques would be lost to history.
> 5. They get doctors to push their products using dinners and other
> promotional products.
> 6. They get their people on boards and other places of influence.
> 7. The public are coached in the importance of only listening to "experts"
> and "reliable sources"..
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Carol:
Have you actually thought through your arguement to its logical
conclusions? Consider this, "pharmaceutical business " is ultimately
people. It's companies made up of people, run by people and owned by
people. If what you argue is true, that "pharmaceutical business" is
purposely suppressing cures (or even keeping people sick) knowingly,
then these people are denying themselves and everyone they care about
these self same cures. You are telling me that *everyone* involved in
the conspiracy is so concerned about the money that they would all
sacrifice themselves and everyone they care about? If this were even
slightly true and the truth came out (as it must since *you* claim to
know it), then everyone involved would be open to lawsuits, not to
mention criminal charges, heck even lynchings by the families of those
who have suffered. Can everyone involved be such a cold hearted
monster that they would risk themselves and everyone they care about?
Risk their own terminal illnesses? Risk the loss of everything
monetary? Risk prison?
Makes no sense from a human motivational standpoint.
Sorry Carol, your story just doesn't hold water. Of course the other
test is to simply go and *try* some of these suppressed cures. After
all they are available in books (hmmm... now who is making the money?)
and perhaps on the web. Doesn't this seem a bit incredible? Perhaps
I've been indoctrinated...indocrtinated to test ideas, try things, and
go with what works. No real tests I've ever found shows the slightest
validity to these other approaches. But you can fix that. Simply run
some good, well documented tests. Since you aren't under their
control, I'm sure the world will beat a path to your door when you
prove your case.
On the other hand, it's easier to just hide your head under a pillow
and blame all the world's problems on unasalable fantasies.
Dan (Woj...)
