On Jul 27, 12:30 pm, ferr...@ironcity.com wrote:
> > "Sorry, you mean 'the ideas of men'. there are no gods"
>
> > How do you know?
>
> I have eyes, ears and brains.
>
> > "As I said, no other animal willingly/knowingly engages in self
> > destructive behavior (eat unnatural cooked food known to have natural &
> > synthetic carcinogens, etc)"
>
> > Should we assume you refer primarily to meat? If we are to use nature
> to
> > instruct us
>
> "Or use scientific studies, which reflect ancestor's adaptation
> (nature).."
> "Research leading to the discovery of a series of mutagenic and
> Sure, we at first ate meat raw and in many examples continue to do so.
>
> Long irrelevant section about cas in meat snipped. As already suggested:
>
> > consistent.
>
> > Boiling and steaming and microwaving avoids the cancer producing
> > substances of intensively browned meat
To avoid cancer, retain the most vitamins do NOT cook at all. Did you
read my previous post?
"Water used for cooking can also dissolve and wash away even more of
those vitamins -- the water soluble ones. Therefore, any cooking that
minimizes the time, temperature, and amount of water needed will help
to preserve nutrients. Microwave cooking is one of the best ways to
preserve nutrients because it needs minimal water, and the cooking
time is very short. Pressure cooking under steam is the next best
because it too minimizes time and requires little water. Other methods
for nutrition are steaming in a little water, stir frying, and boil-in-
bag" http://yourtotalhealth.ivillage.com/how-retain-nutrients-in-cooking.html
> ""In studies at Cornell University, scientists looked at the effects of
> cooking on water-soluble vitamins in vegetables and found that spinach
> retained nearly all its folate when cooked in a microwave, but lost
> about 77 percent when cooked on a stove. They also found that bacon
> cooked by microwave has significantly lower levels of cancer-causing
> nitrosamines than conventionally cooked bacon"
>
> "One study published in the Journal of the Science of Food and
> Agriculture in 2003 found that broccoli cooked by microwave -- and
> immersed in water -- loses about 74 percent to 97 percent of its
> antioxidants. When steamed or cooked without water, the broccoli
> retained most of its nutrients"http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/289113_hea
> lthrail19.html"
>
> Yep, as I said using boiling or steaming or microwave,
???
>
> > No other animal uses fire so the point is moot if
>
> "you don't care about health risks/compromises."
>
> The point was one of logic,
Exactly.. It is illogical to destroy nutrients and add carcinogens..
> animals don't use fire and humans do so any
> reerence to animals is moot as to what can be learned from them. Fire
> allowed humans to occupy all parts of the globe
Occupying all parts of the globe is NOT a nutritional benefit. Fire
allowed people to overpopulate out of habitat during/following the ice
age but it is a natural nutritional compromise.
and the case for
> notcooking food is far far far from being accepted as but a fad among some
> niche group.
>
> > we compare ourselves.
>
> "No, contrast.."
>
> No, compare, we and the animals are compared as to total package relative
> to food use. They don't have fire so any deduction is impossible.
?? Animals don't use fire and don't denature their food and don't
contribute to degenerative diseases so this is in contrast to humans
who do all of the above and worse.. There is no "comparison"
>
> > Animals will not hesitate to eat cooked meat when offered.
>
> "But no animal intentionally does any preparation to food that either
> reduces the nutrients or much less- produces toxins."
>
> Debatable,
?
> but as in the start, eat the meat raw as do they if they are to
> instruct us; if one thinks that has value.
Or do a Pubmed search to see if meat really is nutritionally
advantageous. So far nobody has provided 1 human adaptation to benefit
from trading any amount of available fruit for any amount of meat.
Fruit reverses, postpones, prevents diseases that meat contributes to.
If you are acculturated to prefer the taste of meat that's another
story..
aka_velcro
ReaderRabbit
