On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:25:47 -0700 (PDT), crisology
<crisology@aol.com> wrote:
>On Jul 26, 4:06 pm, ferr...@ironcity.com wrote:
>> "As I said, no other animal willingly/knowingly engages in self
>> destructive behavior (eat unnatural cooked food known to have natural &
>> synthetic carcinogens, etc)"
>>
>> Should we assume you refer primarily to meat? If we are to use nature to
>> instruct us, we should eat meat raw or at least let age some first to be
>> consistent.
>>
>> Boiling and steaming and microwaving avoids the cancer producing
>> substances of intensively browned meat.
>>
>> No other animal uses fire so the point is moot if we compare ourselves.
>> Animals will not hesitate to eat cooked meat when offered.
>
>On Jul 26, 4:06 pm, ferr...@ironcity.com wrote:
>> "As I said, no other animal willingly/knowingly engages in self
>> destructive behavior (eat unnatural cooked food known to have natural &
>> synthetic carcinogens, etc)"
>>
>> Should we assume you refer primarily to meat? If we are to use nature to
>> instruct us
>
>Or use scientific studies, which reflect ancestor's adaptation
>(nature)..
>"Research leading to the discovery of a series of mutagenic and
>carcinogenic heterocyclic amines (HCAs) was inspired by the idea that
>smoke produced during cooking of food, especially meat or fish, might
>be carcinogenic. More than ten kinds of HCAs, actually produced by
>cooking or heating of meat or fish, have now been isolated and their
>structures determined, most being previously unregistered compounds
>HCAs have now been chemically synthesized in quantity and subjected to
>long-term animal testing. When HCAs were fed in the diet, rodents
>developed cancers in many organs, including the colon, breast and
>prostate, and one HCA produced hepatomas in monkeys. Cancer Sci. 2004
>Apr;95(4):290-9.
>
Yes but, humans have been eating "Cooked" meat to include fish,
poultry & fish preserved via smoke ever since we learned to produce &
control fire. Life spans have been ever increasing every since. There
are entire families that are struck down by cancers of one form or
another, and others that never experience it. Same thing holds true
for the use of salt -- it affects people differently, but the guidance
is to use it in moderation.
>
>> consistent.
>>
>> Boiling and steaming and microwaving avoids the cancer producing
>> substances of intensively browned meat.
>
>"In studies at Cornell University, scientists looked at the effects of
>cooking on water-soluble vitamins in vegetables and found that spinach
>retained nearly all its folate when cooked in a microwave, but lost
>about 77 percent when cooked on a stove. They also found that bacon
>cooked by microwave has significantly lower levels of cancer-causing
>nitrosamines than conventionally cooked bacon"
>
>"One study published in the Journal of the Science of Food and
>Agriculture in 2003 found that broccoli cooked by microwave -- and
>immersed in water -- loses about 74 percent to 97 percent of its
>antioxidants. When steamed or cooked without water, the broccoli
>retained most of its nutrients" http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/289113_healthrail19.html
>
>>
>> No other animal uses fire so the point is moot if
>
>you don't care about health risks/compromises.
>
>> we compare ourselves.
>
>No, contrast..
>
>> Animals will not hesitate to eat cooked meat when offered.
>
>But no animal intentionally does any preparation to food that either
>reduces the nutrients or much less- produces toxins.
>
But they also don't have herds of Science Animals that tell them that
their natural tendencies, wants, needs or desires are bad for them
either. There are also animals that do prepare their food. Just
because they don't cook it has more to do with the "Opposable Thumb"
issue & the ability to create tools. My cat doesn't hunt mice &
birds, she waits for me to open a can of Little Friskies. Not only
that she does have a preference for one style of preparation over
another. She likes the sliced in gravy over the loaf variety. Even
animals have food preferences, especially among omnivores.
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."
aka_velcro
ReaderRabbit
