On Jul 25, 10:39 pm, Debs <YOURFOOTdebs02...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> in line:
>>Deal with the root of the problem instead of the result.
In rational emotive behavior therapy (REBT), you can attack the result/
behavior (ie diet) and thoughts (self image), feelings (modified
hormone activity), change in its train. It works either way. Start w/
feelings for the source or start w/behavior to work backwards. For
long term benefit, some work on the source/feelings (role play,
flooding, desensitization, etc) may be necessary for some emotionally
corrective experience to be maintained..
> > a great number of
> > people who are overweight are that way because they have been molested
> > or abused.
So an REBT approach would be to tackle the diet (behavior), then
thoughts (self esteem), feelings (confidence, ) will also change as
behavioral goals are achieved to provide the opportunity for self
efficacy, modified metabolism, short circuiting serotonin, galanin
activity related to overeating.
>
> Are you sure about this? Do you have any references? I am sure it
> happens sometimes but most??
It's high for females.
"The causes of the current obesity epidemic are multifactorial and
include genetic, environmental, and individual factors. One potential
risk factor may be the experience of childhood sexual abuse. Childhood
sexual abuse is remarkably common and is thought to affect up to one-
third of women and one-eighth of men. A history of childhood sexual
abuse is associated with numerous psychological sequelae including
depression, anxiety, substance abuse, somatization, and eating
disorders. Relatively few studies have examined the relationship
between childhood sexual abuse and adult obesity. These studies
suggest at least a modest relationship between the two."
> >>Note that alcoholism is also a psychiatric disorder.
>
> > Like I said....attack the root, not the product. Why do people
> > drink? Alcoholism is mostly genetic, passed on through family
> > members, as is morbid obesity.
Neither alcohol addiction nor obesity are genetically predetermined.
Like seeds in a garden, these diseases are contingent upon how/if they
are cultivated. The obesity epidemic is growing without genetic
advantage (besides another excuse to buy a larger vehicle).
"The U.S. obesity prevalence increased from 13 percent to 32 percent
between the 1960s and 2004, according to researchers at the Johns
Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Center for Human Nutrition"
But The U.S. gene pool didn't increase selective pressure for obesity
genes during that period and if the cause were genetic, we can't
practically attack the gene pool as individuals. But we can change
diet (a psychological issue that can be addressed w/education). This
is a simplification but for example; a genetic predisposition for
lower metabolism only guarantees those who are prone to gaining
weight, require less food to maintain positive energy balance, not
that they are required to be heavier or eat more than required.
Note I said mostly, not all. Why,
> > then, do some show the signs and symptoms of the disorder while others
> > don't? Maybe it has to do with how these people are treated in
> > childhood.
>
> Alcoholism is mostly genetic, passed on through family
> > members, as is morbid obesity.
>
> Again, are you sure? Positive it's not environment??
>
> I don't believe kids in middle school do drugs because of some deep
> seated problem, mostly. It's just a time to experiment
What animal naturally "experiments" using such self destructive ways?
It is very unnatural but not uncommon to be drawn to such drugs. Just
as the most common foods are most unnatural yet sought after more
frequently (grilled steak, coke, etc)
> and it's just
> occuring earlier and earlier. When I was in high school the vast
> majority of the kids did drugs of some sort"
And each of those kids knew it wasn't healthy to do those drugs before
they "experimented."
And every parent has access to information about carcinogenic food
before they feed it to children.
> > The guy who lived kitty corner to us was a convicted child molester.
> > He did less than a year for molesting 3 kids. While out on probation,
> > he started offending again and was only caught when he publicly
> > molested a little girl at WalMart. Then he finally went to prison.
> > Norm? Look on the Internet. There are kiddy porn sites all over the
> > place.
The victims can still not become obese by eating lettuce, figs,
olives, kiwi, mango & dates. Regardless of whether the victims develop
as obese or not, there needs to be the every day upside down
(unnatural) standard diet options (just like SAD) available to the
rest of the obese people who were not abused or genetically endowed w/
lower metabolism too.
> Alcohol is pushed along with sex all over the TV via
I saw the same commercials but "A new animal study suggests that a
brain chemical (called galanin) increases the tendency to overeat and
is also linked to increased alcohol consumption. According to this
research, galanin produces a "positive feedback loop" that increases
craving for food and alcohol. (December 20, 2004) –Addiction Science
Research and Education Center (Alcohol facts)"
"study shows a high association among drinking, alcoholism, and child
molestation. Forty-nine percent of the child molesters were drinking
at the time of commission of the offense, and 34% were drinking
heavily, defined as 10 or more beers or the equivalent." Annals of the
New York Academy of Sciences, Vol 273, Issue 1 492-496, Copyright ©
1976 by New York Academy of Sciences.
> >>How about if those of you who favor this counseling pay for it. My health
> >>insurance costs are already too high thank you!
>
> > How about making the molesters and abusers and neglectful parents pay
> > for the counseling? They are the perpetuators of the problem, not the
> > recipients.
Most people with mental illnesses aren't candidates for counseling.
The ones who are persuaded to engage in talk therapy are often doing
it in conjunction w/meds. It's less taboo for people to self-medicate
using moderate alcohol, functioning alcoholics, some pot, cigarettes &
more commonly food addiction, which overlaps w/many of the other
comorbidities.
> > if you can legislate obesity, then you'd
> > better legislate all the other things that happen as the result of
> > people making selfish decisions that lead to the abuse of another.
Hmm.. How do we outlaw addictive fatty food & parents from feeding
children the same foods they know increase obesity, cancer risk, etc?
Sustainably,
Chris
aka_velcro
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