"vernono" <vernono@there.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
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>> <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>>>"vernono" <vernono@there.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Prescription is required BECAUSE of danger.
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>>>hmmmm...funny
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>>>but tylenol...perhaps the most dangerous..is available OTC
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>> I have pointed out several times to Vernon that of the two drugs I
>> take most often the prescription one (metformin) is essentially
>> harmless (take a couple of hundred and you get a bad case of the
>> trots) but the OTC one (paracetamol) is deadly (take a couple of dozen
>> and get in line for a liver transplant). He doesn't listen, because he
>> knows everything. After all, Vernon invented the computer tape that I
>> first used in 1966, among his other achievements.
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> Prescription is prescription because someone has proven dangers. PROVE
> otherwise. Prescription is controlled. Why controlled? DUUUHHH
> OTC is no guarantee of safety. BTW, Tylenol in excess of 400 unnits per
> day will cause liver failure in the average person
you may want to look that number up...it is 4000 mgm that is the recommended
max daily dose...(not 400 units)
and actually even that dose will NOT cause liver failure in the "average
person"...
it is "merely the level at which other problems..ie alcohol consumption
other meds..etc ...should be considered
> AND Tylenol is safer than aspirin.
hardly...if one took the same amount per day of aspirin as tylenol...they
likely will bleed..thus it is not safer...
> Nattokinase (non prescription) is safer and more effective than aspirin
> (non prescription) or Plavix (prescription) (For blood thinning.)
> Aspirin was popular before prescription was even a term.
>
> It doesn't make one bit of difference what YOU take to change the
> definition of a word.
> Please tell us why YOU (no Doctor) think that certain products may be sold
> ONLY under prescription.
them's the rules...years ago drugs were divided into "script" only and
OTC,,,Peter and I had nothing to do with it...
I have no clue why you continue to argue with a doctor (peter) and an
advanced practice nurse with scriptive priviliges (me)...
obviously either of us know more than you do...
and again..neither of us make the rules...
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>
> BTW Why is metformin given under controlled conditions ( prescription)
>
> In many people a MAJOR renal problem.
> Glyburide
> In a single-dose interaction study in type 2 diabetes patients,
> coadministration of metformin and glyburide did not result in any changes
> in either metformin pharmacokinetics or pharmacodynamics. Decreases in
> glyburide AUC and Cmax were observed, but were highly variable. The
> single-dose nature of this study and the lack of correlation between
> glyburide blood levels and pharmacodynamic effects, makes the clinical
> significance of this interaction uncertain (see DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION:
> Concomitant GLUCOPHAGE or GLUCOPHAGE XR and Oral Sulfonylurea Therapy in
> Adult Patients).
>
> Furosemide
> A single-dose, metformin-furosemide drug interaction study in healthy
> subjects demonstrated that pharmacokinetic parameters of both compounds
> were affected by coadministration.
>
> Furosemide increased the metformin plasma and blood Cmax by 22% and blood
> AUC by 15%, without any significant change in metformin renal clearance.
> When administered with metformin, the Cmax and AUC of furosemide were 31%
> and 12% smaller, respectively, than when administered alone, and the
> terminal half-life was decreased by 32%, without any significant change in
> furosemide renal clearance. No information is available about the
> interaction of metformin and furosemide when coadministered chronically.
>
> Nifedipine
> A single-dose, metformin-nifedipine drug interaction study in normal
> healthy volunteers demonstrated that coadministration of nifedipine
> increased plasma metformin Cmax and AUC by 20% and 9%, respectively, and
> increased the amount excreted in the urine. Tmax and half-life were
> unaffected. Nifedipine appears to enhance the absorption of metformin.
> Metformin had minimal effects on nifedipine.
>
> Cationic drugs
> Cationic drugs (e.g., amiloride, digoxin, morphine, procainamide,
> quinidine, quinine, ranitidine, triamterene, trimethoprim, or vancomycin)
> that are eliminated by renal tubular secretion theoretically have the
> potential for interaction with metformin by competing for common renal
> tubular transport systems. Such interaction between metformin and oral
> cimetidine has been observed in normal healthy volunteers in both single-
> and multiple-dose, metformin-cimetidine drug interaction studies, with a
> 60% increase in peak metformin plasma and whole blood concentrations and a
> 40% increase in plasma and whole blood metformin AUC. There was no change
> in elimination half-life in the single-dose study. Metformin had no effect
> on cimetidine pharmacokinetics. Although such interactions remain
> theoretical (except for cimetidine), careful patient monitoring and dose
> adjustment of GLUCOPHAGE or GLUCOPHAGE XR and/or the interfering drug is
> recommended in patients who are taking cationic medications that are
> excreted via the proximal renal tubular secretory system.
>
> Other
> Certain drugs tend to produce hyperglycemia and may lead to loss of
> glycemic control. These drugs include the thiazides and other diuretics,
> corticosteroids, phenothiazines, thyroid products, estrogens, oral
> contraceptives, phenytoin, nicotinic acid, sympathomimetics, calcium
> channel blocking drugs, and isoniazid. When such drugs are administered to
> a patient receiving GLUCOPHAGE or GLUCOPHAGE XR, the patient should be
> closely observed for loss of blood glucose control. When such drugs are
> withdrawn from a patient receiving GLUCOPHAGE or GLUCOPHAGE XR, the
> patient should be observed closely for hypoglycemia.
>
> In healthy volunteers, the pharmacokinetics of metformin and propranolol,
> and metformin and ibuprofen were not affected when coadministered in
> single-dose interaction studies.
>
> Metformin is negligibly bound to plasma proteins and is, therefore, less
> likely to interact with highly protein-bound drugs such as salicylates,
> sulfonamides, chloramphenicol, and probenecid, as compared to the
> sulfonylureas, which are extensively bound to serum proteins.
>
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